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Tell Mr. Steel Beard

This is an archival section of the Electric Shaver Page  featuring postings made in 2000. Click here to read the current postings.  If you want to add your comments, E-mail me with the subject line TELL MR. STEEL BEARD in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS with your comments.  Comments will be screened for suitability to all ages.

From: AlandHarriet@aol.com

Date: Saturday, December 30, 2000 2:22 PM

Mr. Steel Beard,

I hope you can help. I have a Norelco model 5885XL razor. The NiCad batteries are deceased. I like the razor and would like to get them replaced if possible.

After opening the razor I find that the batteries seem to be soldered or welded to the circuit board making replacement a bit more difficult than I would have thought. A visit to the www.norelco.com showed no sign or mention of the batteries being a line replacement unit.

Can I replace the batteries in my 5885XL? If so, is it economically feasable to do so?

Thanks!!

Al Johnson

Thanks for your question, Al.  Yes, it is feasible to replace the rechargeable batteries on your Norelco (or Philishave) shaver.  At least a couple of people who contacted me mentioned that they did that successfully.  You may have already noticed that you need to have soldering skills in order the replace the batteries.  Fortunately, Radio Shack is selling replacement shaver batteries again.  Their current catalog for the USA lists two battery packs which say that they fit different Norelco models.  They list catalog numbers 960-0508 for $7.99 and 960-0504 for $16.99.  These two battery packs have different shapes so you can easily figure out if either one fits your shaver.  Bring your old battery pack to make sure that they have one which matches yours.  The Norelco web site at http://www.norelco.com does not list service parts and replacement batteries are considered service parts which are available at Norelco service centers and Norelco authorized service centers.

From: "Ric Elliott" <vols01_1999@yahoo.com>

Date: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:07 PM

Hello,

I bought the Norelco Reflex Action 5811XL about 4 weeks ago and love the close shave that I have been getting. However, after not initially noticing, I have been getting red marks and red streaks on my neck area on a consistent basis. Is there anything I can do to avoid this problem?

Thanks,

Ric Elliott

Thanks for your note Ric.  Neck irritation is a common problem and I do have some tips:

1.  Don't press too hard while shaving.

2.  Shave against the grain so that flatter whiskers stand up before cutting.

3.  Use a pre-shave to better lubricate the skin so the shaver glides better with fewer strokes and the fewer the strokes, the less irritation.

I hope this helps.

From: "John Inkata" <inkata@hotmail.com>

Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 7:05 AM

Hi,

I have just bought a Philishave HQ6825 and have plugged it in the wall to charge the battery for the first time. During recharging, I have noticed that there is a soft high pitched ringing coming from the shaver itself.

What is causing the ringing sound and is this normal?

Thanks kindly,

John (from Australia).

Thanks for your question, John.  Because my Philishave HQ6425 shaver (also a Quadra Action shaver like yours) is a corded model, I can't tell you directly from my experience concerning the Quadra Action line.  But I do have a Philishave HQ5865 Reflex Action rechargeable shaver I can listen carefully to.  I held the shaver right next to my ear before pluging it into the mains outlet and I did hear a slight whistling sound similar to the high-pitched ringing you mentioned.  I think of this as similar to the sound you hear when you set up the electronic flash of your camera before taking a flash picture.  So I consider the ringing sound during charging to be normal.  I hope this helps.

From: Brian Cave

Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 7:33 PM

Hello.

I have used a philishave microgroove razor for a while now. The shave is reasonable but I have to be very careful around the neck area or it will become irritated. I am wondering if I would be better off with a reflex model with setting adjustment or a Quadra model which does not have setting adjustments. Thank you and HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Brian

Thanks for your question, Brian.  If you can still find the Philishave Reflex Action shavers with the closeness/comfort adjustment, I would go for that because I would think they would be at a good price now.  This is because the newer Reflex Action models do not have this adjustment.  With both the Philishave Reflex Action and Quadra Action models, the entire head assembly adjust to the contours of your face in a three-dimensional manner to give you closer contact to your face.  One way to minimize irritation is to start with a dry face.  If humidity prevents you have having a dry face, I found that the pre-shave powder stick helps me to shave with fewer strokes and the fewer strokes you make, the less irritation.  I've been impressed with my Quadra Action shaver.  I still use my Reflex Action rechargeable shaver with the adjustment when I 'm away from home.  So if you can't find a Reflex Action model with the adjustment, I would go with a Quadra Action model.  I hope this helps.

From: "McCain, Michael W. ENS" <michael.mccain@persnet.navy.mil>

Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 6:04 PM

Hello. Thanks for the great page. I have a pretty tough beard and have always had a tough time getting a great shave. I've tried various electric razors, including a Norelco 885XL (I think that was the number), Remington Microscreen 3, and Braun Flex Integral, but never got good results. After each shave I could touch my face and it never felt smooth. I even tried the Remington Face Saver Pre Shave stick but with only minimal improvement. I'm stuck shaving with a Gillette Mach 3 blade, which is the best blade I've ever used. Unfortunately, I have sensitive skin so I get cut up, even with this. My brother, who's a Marine, taught me to shave with a blade in the shower and the steam keeps my face moist. I get the closest and most comfortable shave yet without the irritation. Unfortunately, I'm a Naval officer and will be forced to go on week long field exercises where appropriate shower facilities may not be available. I don't want to go out in front of my men all cut up and irritated from a blade and I don't want an electric razor that will make me look like I barely shaved at all...especially later in the day ( I can get in trouble from my superiors for bad appearance:). I am willing to try an electric razor again, if the technology and closeness have improved since the above models I once tried.

Can you recommend one...I was looking at a Norelco Quadra Action, a Remington Microscreen 3 TCT, or a Braun Syncro. Again I have a tough beard, especially below the chin and on the neck. Please help me out!

I'll try to, Ens. McCain and thanks for your note.  Because of your duties in the Navy, I would think that having to take any bulky accessories with you would not be a good idea so that eliminates the Braun Syncro with its cleaning unit.  So this leaves you two choices: the Norelco or Philishave Quadra Action (depending on where in the world you pick it up) or the Remington MicroScreen 3 TCT.  Both offer improvements in cutting long and short whiskers.  The Remington model adds the trimmer which, because of its location, allows you to use it while shaving to cut the long whiskers while the foils take care of the shorter whiskers.  The Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action has the holes in the middle third of the shaving surface for the shorter whiskers (which has a thinner surface than the rest of the shaving area).  The familiar slots are used on the remaining two-thirds of the shaving surface.  The Quadra Action's waterproof construction allows for easy cleaning.  I've had very good luck with my Quadra Action and Norelco in the USA (along with other participating Philips DAP units in other countries--contact the Philips DAP unit in your country to make sure) have a no-risk money back trial offer to get you to try the shaver to see if you like it.  So right now, I would give the edge to the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shaver based on your situation.  I hope this helps.

From: "Joseph S Sherman" <jssherm@optonline.net>

Date: Friday, December 22, 2000 2:32 PM

Hello. Thanks for your great page. I am looking for a new foil shaver for the holidays, and have decided on the Panasonic. But I can't decide between the ES883 and the ES8003. The differences I can find are the ES883 has a floating "Triple Head Shaving System with Intercept Cutter and Lift Strips" while the ES8003 has a "3-Dimension Floating Triple Blade System" with no mention of lift strips.

What I would like to know is: Does the ES8003 have lift strips? Do they make much of a difference? What is the difference between the ES883 floating triple heads and the ES8003 3-D floating triple blades? For similar price, would you recommend one over the other?

thanks.

Joseph Sherman

jssherm@optonline.net

Thanks for your question, Joesph.  When I was finally able to locate a closeup photo of an ES8003 shaver on one of the shaver shop web site, I noticed that there were no lift strips on the edge of the shaver.  The lift strips are intended to lift up either flat or curly whiskers before cutting.  Because the current Survey Page questions ask favourite and least favourite shavers broken down by product line, I used that as my guide as to which is better.  Of the 13 people who mentioned a Panasonic shaver as their favourite, nine of them or 69% of responses preferred an 8000 series shaver while only one preferred an 800 series shaver.  Of the nine people who had their worst experience with a Panasonic shaver, five of those hated the 8000 series and no one hated an 8000 series shaver.  I could see no obvious difference between the shaving action of the two product lines.  From all those people who liked the 8000 series, that would be the slight choice in my book if there was no price difference.  I hope this helps.

From: Chris & Linda Cable

Date: Thursday, December 21, 2000 8:18 PM

I need to replace those little foam washer-like things in my Norelco shaver. The closest authorized repair shop is a long, inconvenient drive away, and they won't ship. Is there any way to order (by mail, phone, or internet) so that they can be shipped to my house?

Chris Cable

Thanks for your question, Chris.  As I pick up old Philishave/Norelco shavers, I've noticed that some of them need the same foam washers that you describe.  My local shaver repair shop, I believe, gets them from a third party shaver parts manufacturer I have a link to.  It's Crestwood Appliance/All Appliance Parts which I have a link to in my list of shaver shops on line.  Their web site includes a list of shaver repair shops they supply parts to.  Check which shops are convenient to you and ask if they ship parts by mail.  Better yet, you can inquire with All Appliance Parts to find out if they can either send you the parts directly or tell you which  of their dealers handle mail orders.  I hope this helps.

From: Ralph Morales

Date: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:46 PM

Mr. Steel Beard,

First of all great web site. I was wondering if you could recommend a product that could help reduce skin irritation around the neck. I use the Norelco 5861 XL. It's a great shaver but my neck is always irritated after shaving. If you recommend something it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Ralph Morales

Systems Engineer

Nortel Networks Global Customer Care Services

MoralesR@NortelNetworks.com

Thanks for your question, Ralph.  I've been suggesting a pre-shave powder stick, such as the Remington FaceSaver, which helps the shaver glide better on your skin so that you can shaver with fewer strokes and the fewer strokes you make when shaving, the less irritation.  I hope this helps.

From: <Wmincrk@aol.com>

Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:28 PM

Gary,

I am going to purchase a electric razor for my 2 teenage boys ( both just starting to shave ) neither one has a thick beard. Which type would you recommend ? price is not a issue.Things I am concerned about is 1) reliability 2) ease of use 3) is rotary type more forgiving if they were to press to hard 4) is one ( foil or rotary) more suited for acne problems are sensitive skin. I am leaning towards the Norelco Quadra 6826XL.

Your thoughts please and Merry Xmas.

Ron

Thanks for your question, Ron.  This question is a hard one to answer because a foil shaver is good for one person while a rotary is better suited to a different person.  You may already know that I've used a rotary since I was a teenager so I can't be that objective.  The Quadra Action shaver you pointed out is a good choice because it adjusts to the contours of the face in a three-dimensional manner and this waterproof shaver is easy to clean (the non-waterproof rotary shavers are notoriously tedious to clean).  In thinking this matter over, knowing that teenagers would be using the shaver, I would think they could be rough in handling the shaver.  So I would not recommend foil shavers of which the ultrathin foil can easily be damaged (and damaged foils must be replaced before using the shaver again).  I hope this helps.

From: "Nicholas Mecredy" <nicholas.mecredy@wolmail.nl>

Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 10:33 AM

This is just a quick note to give my experiences with the Philishave Reflex Action HQ 5806 and Quadra Action HQ 6830.

At the end of Novermber I shaved for the first time in 26 years (the beard was going rather white at the edges) and initially used a wet razor, but that was a rather bloody affair.

I then purchased a Philishave Reflex Action HQ 5806, since the last shaver I had (long ago) was also a Philishave. This model seemed to be quite complete but it didn't give as smooth a shave as the wet razor (though a lot less blood).

Having surfed around for information I came across your site with reviews and the mention of the Philips money back offer. I checked the offer was still valid in Holland, took your advice, bought the Quadra and sent the Reflex back.

...and the shave is now much smoother !

My advice is thus to pay the extra (about 30% more here) and buy the Quadra rather than the Reflex - it is well worth it, and when the cost is spread over a few years shaving fades into insignifigance.

Keep up the good work with your Web site !

Regards, Nicholas

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Nicholas Mecredy

Holland

Thanks for giving your experience with the Philishave Quadra Action and Reflex Action shavers, Nicholas.

From: "Peter Williams" <muerlin@hotmail.com>

Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 6:26 AM

TRUE STEEL BEARD? - Interesting how the packages tell us that they work wonders on even the toughest beards. Well, they don't. I used a Remingtion M2820 for a couple years and it was okay. It still took too long to get a closer shave. I recently bought the Norelco Quadra Action, Braun Syncro, Panasonic Linear ES8066K, Remington TCT Triple foil, and finally the Wahl Custom Shave 5000. I was excited about the Wahl one with it's 3 custom foils for beard type. Well, even the super close foil still took too long and wasn't that close. I had to change to the sensitive foil to be able to dig into my beard/face a bit more after first gently using the super close one. At the advice of this forum I tried the Face Saver powder over a clean, dry face and it does make a difference. The powder does make the razor more work to clean afterwards though.

The Quadra irritated my neck the most and all around my beard I had to dig in with that thing to get close at all. The others I didn't care for much either. It's just down to the Panasonic or Wahl for me. The Wahl is noisier and vibrates a lot but the foils and blades are MUCH cheaper than all other brands. The Panasonic is quiet, more comfotable, wet/dry so you can clean it easily and claims more life out of the foil/blade than most shavers. I think I will stay with the Panasonic since I must use the face powder too but for someone else the Wahl may be best. I noticed the Wahl system is not mentioned much at all in this forum.

It would be nice if they made a shaver ONLY for really tough beards somehow....and to have it actually work.

Thanks for telling your experience with several different shavers, Peter.  My beard is more of a medium density based on how my goatee feels so I hope someone with a very tough beard can mention his favorite shaver.

From: "Steve Guillaudeu" <steveguil@yahoo.com>

Date: Saturday, December 16, 2000 10:53 PM

Mr. Steel Beard,

I am looking for a good electric to give my father for Christmas. What is the best shaver on the market this season for under $60?

Thanks

Thanks for your question, Steve.  That was a tough one to find out.  The ongoing current Survey Page results for December as well as my own window shopping has me suggesting for your price range a Remington MicroScreen 3 shaver.  If the price is low enough, you may wish to spring for their new MicroScreen 3 TCT model.  I hope this helps.

From: <robert@elastica.com>

Date: Friday, December 15, 2000 11:53 PM

Yesterday I just bought a quadra action 6885 model Last night I used Boots Preelectric shave before trying it out and couldn't help buyt feel a stinging sensation aftwaredsd and some redness. I'm in thailand right now so they could be explained by the fact that my skin is quite dry at the moment.

What I'd like to know if how quadra action users prepare for the shave.

I've just moved from using Mach 3 blades. I remember a long time ago when I used my first electric razor there was this shaver stick thing you could buy that applied talc to the area before the shave. Does this exist today?

so how can I better prepare for the shave. Also, how long after application should you wait to shave after using pre-electric shave?

Plus on my unit after it says fully charged the LCD reads 35 mins. Is that the same for other folks?

So far I've been quite happy with the shave but it's early days yet and you cannot return anything you buy in Thailand.

Cheers.

Thanks for your question.  Since my rechargeable shaver does not have a numeric indicator (just a charge level gauge), I can only say from how long my shaver takes to charge up based on approximate times.  But what you're saying is rather close.  Mine takes a little longer, but it does take less than an hour.  With my Philishave Quadra Action shaver, I start with a dry face.  If humid weather forces me to use a preshave, I use a powder stick before shaving.  I use the shaver almost immediately after applying the powder stick.  The waterproof construction of this shaver makes cleaning the shaver a breeze even with all the powder inside the shaver.  The powder stick I use is marketed in North America by Remington and is called the FaceSaver.  Because it's made in Switzerland, other companies may market it under different names. I wonder if Remington distributes shavers and other products in Thailand.  They do have a marketing organisation in Australia so you may wish to E-mail Remington's Australian unit asking about availability of the FaceSaver powder stick in your area.  You can reach them through the Remington link I maintain.  I hope this helps.

From: "Andrew Levitt"

Date: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:02 PM

Gary,

Since I notice from your photograph that you have a goatee, I thought you might be able to answer this question. I am growing a beard, and plan to use my electric shaver (Remington Microscreen 2) to shave the neck and perhaps a small part of the cheeks. Do you have any suggestions for using an electric shaver around facial hair without accidentally damaging the beard? I will use a beard trimmer on the beard itself.

Thanks.

Thanks for your question, Andrew.  I'm resigned to having to use my beard trimmer to reshape my goatee twice a month as I have not found a way to shave around my goatee without my beard growing in physical size over time.  The same principle applies to sideburn creep as the sideburns grow longer unless the trimmer is used to keep the sideburns from growing too long. You can tell if you're shaving too close to the beard when you feel the shaver pulling on the edge of the beard.  I hope this helps.

From: "Jon Nelson" <jonmnelson@mediaone.net>

Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:52 PM

I am switching from blades to an electric and purchased a refurbished Grundig 8875. I've only used it four days and have had no irritation. It's very well built and has exceptional clippers. The shave feels very close -- as close as my Mach III -- after I finish shaving, but by early afternoon I have more stubble than I ever had with a blade.

My question is: Is this part of the adjustment process, or do electric shavers leave you with stubble late in the day? I'd be interested to know what experiences others have had in switching from blades.

By the way, thank you for a great Web site!

Jon

You're welcome, Jon and thanks for your note.  Since I have never used a blade razor, only electric shavers, I cannot tell you from personal experience my feelings about 'late afternoon stubble'.  There are still several die-hard blade razor users who believe that electric shavers cannot shave as close.  But then, it's much more convenient to use an electric shaver at work in the afternoon to take care of any touch-ups which need to be done.  If anyone has any personal experience regarding blade razors vs. electric shavers and late afternoon stubble, please let us know.

From: "David or Cindy Braak" <dbraak@pathwaynet.com>

Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 7:02 AM

I have been using a Norelco 815RX the last several years and am concerned it is so loud I may be experiencing hearing loss from it. Have you ever heard of such a thing? Is there something I could be doing to reduce the noise? If not, could you recommend a shaver that is quieter?

Losing my hearing at age 40...

David

Thanks for your note, David.  The quietest shaver I've come across is the one I use now which is a Philishave HQ6425 Quadra Action shaver.  I'm sure that the Norelco Quadra Action shavers are just as quiet.  It's even quieter than the rechargeable Philishave Reflex Action shaver I've been using when on the go.  I find that the shaving action is noisier than the shaver itself with the Quadra Action I have.  I hope this helps.

From: "Improvius" <improvius@yahoo.com>

Date: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:15 PM

Just to confirm suspicions - I have an 8086 Panasonic linear shaver, and while it gave me excpetional shaves for the first 9 or so months of its life, it has over the last couple of months become significantly slower and louder. I, too, have very coarse facial hair, which may contribute to the issue. In any case, it now takes me 3-4 times as long to shave with this razor than it did originally. I will see if I can obtain warranty work. But it seems that for anyone who wishes to purchase one of these shavers, an extended warranty is a must-have.

-Mike

Yes, I would agree concerning the Panasonic shavers that an extended warranty is a good idea with battery life being one issue I have.  Thanks for your opinion, Mike.

From: "Stuart" <stuart@stu.org.uk>

Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:06 AM

Hi, I have had three Quadra Action Philishaves. Each died on me after a few months use. I thought I was just unlucky, but I admit I was using a small about of shaving lotion (King Of Shaves Kinexium), and whilst these shavers are suppose to be waterproof, I guess they are not proper wet/dry shavers. It's a shame, as it was the best shaver I have ever used. Anyway, I swapped the last shaver for the Philishave Coolskin. It's not very comfortable. The Quadra Action is far superior. Do you (or anyone else) know if the heads are interchangeable? I wondered if I could purchase a replacement Quadra blade/foil and put it on my Coolskin.

Regards,

Stuart

Thanks for your question, Stuart.  I can tell you from personal experience that the head assemblies of the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers and the Philishave Cool Skin/Norelco Advantage shavers are NOT interchangeable.  The heads are specifically designed so they only fit onto the shavers they are intended for.

From: "irving schwartz" <iconx@pacbell.net>

Date: Saturday, December 09, 2000 6:52 PM

Dear Gary.

My two cents worth:

The best shave I get now is using a Linear wet dry--and I use it wet-in the shower, with shaving lather.

Minimum friction means for me minimum irritation vs. a dry shave. Foil or rotary, no difference. It 's the comfort that coubts for me.

Closeness? Nothing beats a blade razor, against the grain- but the blood is not worth the closeness. I'll take a little stubble and rest happy. For me, then, WET is the answer, not type or hype or make or cost.

Irving

Thanks for posting your opinion, Irving.

From: "Frank Knapik" <fknapik@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:24 PM

Hello. A friend of mine came back from visiting England. She brought back a product called "Witch Doctor Gel". I believe it is made in England. It is the best stuff I have ever used for irritation caused by shaving. I live in New York State and cannot find it anywhere. Can anyone advise of store that would ship this great stuff to me? Thank you.

Francis Knapik

Thanks for your inquiry, Francis.  A quick look through the search engines showed that Witch Doctor Gel is available in Great Britain and in Australia.  It's witch hazel combined with skin conditioners made into a gel.  I found details at http://store2.europe.yahoo.com/vitago-uk/v440053004.html It's made by E.C. DeWitt. While the URL I mentioned is ,unfortunately, not accepting any orders, I hope there is either a British or Australian on line store which handles it that accepts overseas orders.  I found no URL for E. C. DeWitt.  I hope this helps.

From: "Richard Holroyd" <holroyd@bnl.gov>

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:35 AM

I have a National brand razor with only Japanese script on it and a bottle of liquid soap, that I use on the shaver, also with Japanese script. The soap has run out and I am wondering if it, or something similar, is available in the US. I live on Long Island.

Dick

Thanks for your inquiry, Dick.  If the National razor is what I'm thinking it is, that's from Matsushita which markets shavers under the Panasonic name in these parts.  If you know the model of the shaver, maybe someone at Panasonic Personal Care USA can help out as to which liquid soap to use which is available in the USA.  Otherwise, I would go to the National/Panasonic global URL at http://www.panasonic.co.jp/global/index.html  which gives the URL of the various Panasonic/National URLs world wide.  I'd try the Asian URLs in English such as Singapore as I couldn't figure out the Japanese web site which, of course, is in Japanese and has very few visuals or English words to help me out.  I hope someone at National/Panasonic personal care world wide can help you out in this case.

From: <FLBIGGLES@aol.com>

Date: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:44 PM

I've been visiting your page for a couple of years now. It's great! A wealth of information, and it's nice to know there are other people out there who like electric shavers as much as I do.

I've had my eye on the Micro Action shaver - HQ 487 on the Philishave website for some time now. I like the idea of an adjustable Micro Action shaver with two heads. Especially since the three head adjustable line has been discontinued by Philips. Besides, it's compact and it'll fit in my travel kit.

I've got a relative in the Netherlands that might be able to pick one up for me. The only problem should be the cord. I've got a couple of cords for the three headed micro action shavers here in the US. I wonder if they will fit the two-headed model? What do you think?

I wish we had the selection of razors Philips offers in Europe in the US!

Keep up the good work. You run an exceptional page!

Paul--

Thanks for your note, Paul.  I believe your existing power cords will fit the Philishave HQ487 you're wondering about.  Since this shaver automatically adjusts to the local voltage, you'll be able to use it immediately.  I'm glad the info found through the Electric Shaver Page was helpful to you.

From: jasslyn

Date: Sunday, December 03, 2000 10:28 PM

Recently I have went to a certain well-known electrical store to enquire which shaver is suitable for me. In Singapore (where I live in), the popular shavers are Braun, Philips and National. The promoters have explained to me the features and usage of the shavers and the differences between other shavers. I am still confuse over which brand of shaver to purchase. Therefore it is better to seek your advise before doing the right move. (I am more interested in Quadra and Syncro)

Firstly, I would like to know the speed of Quadra, how many rpm is it. I have little beard but have a sensitive skin, the promoter suggested to me to use a Syncro because the speed is faster therefore it reduces the chance of skin irritation and burning sensation of the skin. Is it true?

Secondly, the foil is thin and will ensure a closer shave as the distance from the beard and the shaver is very close. But I heard that it wears out quite fast.

Thirdly, is Quadra fully water-proof because the shaver is not fully concealed as it can be used with a cord. I was told that I can use the shaver during shower and it is a wet/dry shaver but the promoter told me that it was a dry shaver.

Lastly, Quadra has holes and slots which are meant for longer hairs and short stubbles. But Synchro has a triple cutter.

I am so confuse! I like the design of Quadra but it seems like Synchro is a better buy. Can you please give me some idea? I would plan to buy it before Christmas.

Thanks

Paul

Thanks for your questions, Paul.  I wish I knew the speed of the Quadra Action shavers, I could not find any info on the cutter speed.  The Syncro does look revolutionary in both the shaving surface and the cleaning regimen.  I'm starting to read more good things about the Braun Syncro.  Yes, foil shavers do require more frequent replacement of the shaving surface as opposed to rotary shavers.  As to why the Quadra Action is a waterproof shaver but NOT a wet/dry shaver, I was told that this shaver works better when used dry.  If you look further down, a posting dated November 29 does compare a Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shaver with a Braun Syncro shaver and he prefers the Syncro.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: "Michael Abernethy" <mabernet@email.unc.edu>

Date:  Sunday, December 03, 2000 7:48 AM

I am a college student, and am looking into buying an electric shaver to cut down on the time it takes to get ready in the mornings. I have shaved with a blade for the last 5 years or so (I currently alternate between the Gillette Mach 3 and Sensor Excel), and I am wondering if you could recommend a particular model for me. I shave everyday, but do not have a particularly heavy beard or thick whiskers, but I do like to keep sideburns and a goatee. The skin on my face is not overly sensitive, but does have a tendency to dry out in the winter. My main concern about purchasing an electric is that the hair on my neck and jaw line grows in different directions than the hair on my face and chin. This has always made for painful and difficult shaving with a blade, but the one time I tried my father's rotary electric in high school, it was the most painful experience ever! It ripped the hair out of my neck rather than cut it, and I was left with terrible rashes and an un-even shave.

I have been looking at the Norelco Advantage, but I am not sure about it... I don't think I want to shave in the shower everyday, even if the lotion feels good. And, I am simple bewildered by the differences in the foil razors and whether they will do a good job or not. If you could please give me some advice on brands, models, and possible techniques of shaving with an electric, I would be very grateful.

Thank you,

Michael A.

Thanks for your note, Michael.  I hope you've been reading the survey page results from past months, including last month's brand preferences and this month's brand preference broken down by product lines.  The latest thing in foil shavers I noticed is that they add slotted heads to straighten whiskers before cutting.  The Remington MicroScreen 3 TCT is one example.  With my current shaver, the Philishave (Norelco) Quadra Action, I've learned it's better to use both circular and back and forth motions for more effective shaving.  Shaving with foil shavers typically would be with a back and forth motion.  For a more comfortable shave, don't press down too heavily while shaving.  I hope that others can provide their own opinions here as well.  I hope this helps.

From: "davidw" <davidw@erols.com>

Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:51 AM

Please help!! I have been shaving for a while now, and I have a problem.  My skin is so sensitive that I hate to shave. No matter what method I try, it always irritates my face. I have tried electric razors, manual razors, and even tried one lazer treatment, all to no avail. I am searching for a good alternative, an absolute "best-buy" razor either electric or manual, or something else I can do to get rid of this problem.

It would seem to me that a razor that left just a small bit of stubble above the surface of the skin would be ideal for me as I have very light colored skin and if the razor did not actually touch the skin, it wouldn't irritate it.

Can anyone help??

Thanks for your inquiry.  If you don't mind stubble, have you thought about a beard trimmer?  The adjustment on mine goes down to 1.5mm and up to 7mm.  So if you like stubble that's one and a half millimeters long, that's the solution.  I hope this helps.

From: janase

To: gflinn@iavbbs.com

Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:23 PM

Your site is excellent and very informative, especially this forum. I thought that I would offer some observations about the Norelco 6886 XL and the Braun Syncro 7570. First some background. I am a hairy person (brown hair) and have what I consider a moderately heavy beard that I could shave twice a day. I sun burn easily but do not have sensitive facial skin. I have used blade razors (including an occasional straight razor) for about 35 years. About 2 years ago (1998) I noticed that I was not getting a close shave in certain areas (particularly around and below the corners of my mouth) without cutting myself. Maybe that's a result of aging skin/whiskers. Average shave time was 7-10 minutes.

In November 1999 I decided to go electric since the local Costco offered a good price on a Norelco 6886 XL. The shaver gave what I would consider a fair shave but I found myself going over areas more than once (sideburns, cheekbones, chin area). I was surprised when I read elsewhere that an electric shave should not last more than 5 minutes since mine were longer although not more than my shortest blade times. Eventually I used a pre-shave (Williams) that I think improved the quality of the shave. I also used a spray lube on the cutters. I got my shaving time down to about 5 minutes but always felt as if I were trying to beat the clock. The shaver is ergonomically excellent, styled to fit the hand and it rinses clean under the tap-very convenient and quick/low maintenance.

After a year of use, I decided to try a foil shaver and settled on a Braun. I decided to go for all the bells and whistles and bought the 7570 Syncro. SASCO in Edmonton, Alberta offered the best price I could find because their price was the lowest plus the $US/Canada exchange rate was really favorable (note that credit card companies will add 2-3% to your bill as a currency exchange charge). The only drawback of that transaction was UPS shipping time which took 10 days to New Jersey. That would really eat into your money back trial time if you're adapting from a blade razor. Note also that SASCO required a signature upon delivery.

I have not yet used the Syncro for a month but offer these observations. I have a large hand but find that holding the shaver is occasionally awkward. The Clean & Charge unit takes up counter space (about a 7 inch base x 10 inches high) which could be a drawback to some users, plus it needs a convenient electric outlet. Nonetheless, I was blown away by the quality of the shave. Not only is the shave closer, but it appears to last longer (i.e., whiskers don't grow out as fast). Comparatively speaking, I would rate the Syncro shave far superior to the rotary-there's a magnitude of difference. As well, the speed of shave is noticeably shorter: I'm at about 4 minutes (plus) without feeling rushed. Those comments are without using a preshave--Braun does not recommend using a preshave. Subsequently I used the preshave and I think it even further improves the quality of the shave.

Obviously, the efficacy of a foil or rotary shaver depends on skin type, beard toughness and other factors. While I found the rotary shave acceptable, I was never completely satisfied with it. I'm so satisfied with the Syncro that I am not concerned whether a different make foil shaver would give an even better shave.

Jim Nason

Thanks for your kind words and your objective comparison between a Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shaver and a Braun Syncro shaver.

From: jameswalthall

Date: Monday, November 27, 2000 5:40 PM

Dear Sir,

I recently contacted you, and find myself in need of your expert advice yet again.

Do I purchase the Panasonic Linear ES 8003 or the ES 8068 ?

Regards

James Walthall

Thanks for the new question, James.  My quick search led me to the Panasonic Canada web site and these separate URLs: http://www.panasonic.ca/products/shavers/ES8003.htm    and     http://www.panasonic.ca/products/shavers/ES8068.htm   which I loaded onto separate browser windows and viewed them side by side.  The obvious differences I saw between them were that the ES8003 mentions that it has a "3-Dimension Floating Triple Blade System" while the ES8068 mentions that it has a "Triple Blade with Independently Floating System".  The photos show that the ES8068 has a slightly better ergonomic shape.  So I don't see any big differences between these two models.  So I would pick the one with the lower price.  I hope this helps.

From: Eric Schweda

Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 1:27 PM

HI,

I was doing a search for either a clipper or trimmer for a friend of mine who cuts hair (My hair as well). Last time she cut my hair she was having problems with her device that she uses for the back of my head and to remove my sideburns. I thought it would be a good idea to get her a new one for Christmas. The problem I have encountered as that there are "clippers" and "trimmers" sold. Which one do I want? It seems it is used primarily for the back of the neck and the sides.

Which one would you recommend? I have seen on a beauty supply website the brands "Andis", Oster", and "Wahl". Which of these 3 are best? Unless you have a better idea of course.

Thank You.

Eric Schweda

Thanks for your question, Eric.  For the purpose of your question, I'll define an electric clipper as a usually corded appliance used to cut hair.  It's physically larger than an electric trimmer.  An electric trimmer is usually cordless and is designed to trim beards and sideburns.  Because there is more detail in cutting and trimming hair, hair clippers are more rugged than beard trimmers.  I'm familiar with the Oster and Wahl hair clippers and I still have a Wahl hair clipper myself.  Beard clippers are intended to be used by the user and hair clippers are not intended to be self applied (I tried but regretted the end result).  Well at least hair grows.  ;)  I tend to favor Wahl when it comes to hair clippers.  But I have seen cordless hair trimmers on the marketplace lately, mainly the Philishave and Norelco brands from Philips.  I use a Philips beard trimmer myself.  In a nutshell, I would think that hair clippers would be best to trim the back of your neck.  If anyone else has any ideas, please let us know.  I hope this helps.

From: <kahrs@rci.rutgers.edu>

Date: Friday, November 24, 2000 4:41 PM

I have no desire to come close to any razor but I have to admit, my beard does look nicer when it is trimmed. I found your web page a while back and thought I would return the favor.

A few years back my wife bought me the Norelco "Man Care" MC22 beard trimmer. I didn't like it: it couldn't go against the grain and couldn't get very close.

So this year, after being fed up, I decided to look again. Now Norelco offered the T7500. After reading positive comments, I decided to get one (from electricshaver.com). I have to report it is terrific. First, it is small and nicely packaged. Second, it can get VERY CLOSE, almost as close as a shave [yuck] Third, it can go against the grain and Fourth, you don't need to keep changing batteries. And it's even easy to clean.

In short, I think the T7500 is a great product. And by the way, electricshaver.com was very competent: easy internet ordering and swift shipping.

My best wishes to you beard shavers out there (even though I'll never be one, NEVER).

Thanks for your comments favoring the Norelco T7500 trimmer which is sold outside the USA as the Philishave HQ-T388.  I still use an older model Philips beard trimmer which I've had for five years, the Definition 80 which was sold in the USA as the Norelco Maverick.  The more current models are more ergonomic than the one I have (of which I needed to replace the cutter assembly a couple of years ago after it broke).  I'll replace that beard trimmer with a current Philishave model when the battery gives out on my trimmer, but I don't know when this will happen.  Thanks again for your comments.

From: "boutinfamily" <boutinfamily@home.com>

Date: Friday, November 24, 2000 9:47 AM

Hi I was wondering what you would recommend for a guy just starting to shave. My son is 14 and though the whiskers on his chin are rough the ones on his neck and cheeks are still fairly soft, I guess this is in comparison with his Dads. Both his Dad and brother have heavy beards and must shave aleast once a day..but probably should be twice..so i am looking for something that will take him from this stage ( say every other day) to regular shaving. He also has some acne on the chin. I read in the other questions/comments here that people have tried razors and returned them??

Did i read that wrong? thanks for the informative site

Sue

Thanks for your question, Sue.  For a person with acne, an electric shaver is a necessity.  There is nothing worse than cutting open a pimple with a razor (which I define as a blade razor) while shaving.  With the money-back trial offers out there, this allows for more trial and error when it comes to finding the best electric shaver.  You may already know that I'm a rotary shaver person (I use a low-end model Philishave Quadra Action shaver myself which is the Philishave/Norelco high-end product line), but foil shavers have their allies with the Panasonic Linear line the best of the bunch currently.  But for a teenager starting out, I would suggest a moderately-priced middle of the line model, if not a low end model in their top of the line.  I've tried some low-end product line models of which I was not happy with the end result.  I'm sure others have their opinions so if someone does, please let us know.  I hope this helps.

From: StarbucksCase

Date: Friday, November 24, 2000 12:07 AM

Hi,

I would like to know if anyone has had experiences with the new Braun Syncro System Series and how does it match up with the Norelco Quadra Action..

Alex

Thanks for your question, Alex.  I haven't had that many comments on the Braun Syncro to give an opinion yet and the ones I've received so far have been mixed.  Because the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action series has been around for more than a year and I have one myself, I can give a favorable opinion on this model.  But I have not received a head to head opinion yet on these two competing top product lines.  If anyone has made a side-by-side comparison of these two shavers, please let us know.

From: ProRec1

Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:58 PM

Hi,

I have been reading the comments on your forum for a few weeks in an attempt to find the best razor to purchase. I have been using a Norelco razor for the last 15 years or so and it finally conked out. It was a good razor but it certainly isn't anywhere near the performance of the newer razors. I have recently tried several new razors. The first was a Remington Microflex. I only paid $29.95 for it. It did an adequate job and I was impressed with it's ability to cut my whiskers. However it was very harsh on my skin even though my beard and skin are accustomed to a rotary razor. I did use your suggestion to use powder on my face prior to shaving and it helped immensely. I returned the Microflex to the store because it did not shave close enough and it was way too harsh.

I then tried a Panasonic Linear, Model ES8066X ($89.95). It is a very good razor. It shaves very close, even rivaling a blade. My skin is very smooth after shaving with the Linear. Very impressive. I have to say it takes a few shaves to get used to shaving with this razor but once you do it's marvelous to use.

I also tried the Norelco Quadra Action, Model 6826XL ($99.95). It produced a very comfortable shave and did not irritate my skin, yet compared to the Panasonic Linear it seemed like it was struggling. It seemed slow although very quiet. It is also quite comfortable to grip. The Quadra Action shave was decent but the Panasonic, to me anyway, is far superior. I tried and tried to get all the stubble off with the Norelco but could not. The Panasonic took it all off admirably. The only drawback with this model of Panasonic razor is the long charge time and it cannot be quick charged. Other than that it is a very fine razor.

Jeff

Thanks for your note giving your experience with different shavers, Jeff.

From: Irvin Krieger

Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:13 PM

Last May, you asked for suggestions of battery-operated portable shavers. I bought a Panasonic ES805 for $50 at Sharper Image, and like it very much for short trips or touch-ups. It runs for a week of good close shaves on two AA batteries. Its main drawback is that there is no trimmer.

Irvin M. Krieger

P.S.:  The Panasonic ES805 is only $34.95 at electricshaver.com

Thanks for letting us know, Irvin.

From: Victor Patalano of Skywell

Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:21 PM

Dear Sir;

I have a basic Norelco rotary razor model 3405LC. It is only 3 years old and the motor works great. It does irritates me a bit though. I am assuming that new blades would help a lot. Where can I get the best deal on them, and do the blade sharpening devices actually work?

Sincerely;

Vic Patalano

Thanks for your inquiry, Vic.  While you can use search engines to look up prices for the Philishave HQ3 Double Action heads or the Philishave/Norelco HQ4 Micro Action heads (which adds the microgroove) which both fit your shaver--to save time, I looked at my sponsored links.  The cheapest heads I found as I type this on November 22, 2000 is from Mercury Shaver Centre which has the HQ3 heads at $32.95 Canadian or around $21.37 US and the HQ4 heads at $36.95 Canadian or around $23.90 US.  Of course, shipping charges are additional and the exchange rates may vary.  I hope this helps in case you want to check out your favorite search engines using either Philishave HQ3 or Norelco HQ4 as the key words.  Norelco in the USA does not offer the replacement HQ3 heads.  Based on my experience, I do not recommend the shaver sharpeners for the Lift & Cut heads, which both the HQ3 and HQ4 heads are, as they can damage them.

From: jameswalthall

Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 4:27 PM

Dear Sir,

My Philips 900 Double Action razor finally gave up the ghost after 12 years of intermittent service. I decided to purchase the Philips Coolskin razor and persevered for about 6 weeks. Unfortunately I didn't fare to well and sustained terrible neck irritation, that on many occasions bled. Hence, the Coolskin had to be returned.

However, I am still very keen to use an electric shaver as it saves time for me. Is there any type/brand you would recommend after my failed attempt with the Coolskin.

By the way, a wonderful website, extremely informative.

Thanks for your note and your kind words.  I think that the Cool Skin includes the Nivea lotion dispenser for a reason.  I'm having very good luck with my Philishave Quadra Action shaver after nearly a month of use.  Just remember not to press the shaver too hard on your face whilst shaving.  Use of a pre-shave to make the shaver glide more easily will help.  I use a Remington powder stick when necessary.  I hope this helps.

From: "Ron Deitsch" <rdeitsch@hotmail.com>

Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:21 AM

I have always been a blade user but got tired of the nicks and cuts. Around 9 months agao I purchased a Braun 6550. I like shaving with the electric but I cannot get a close shave, especially by chin and neck. I have to keep going over and over my beard to get a good shave and never get a good shave on my chin or neck. I've tried electric pre shave products but they didn't help. I want to stay with an electric shaver. Do I have the wrong shaver? Do I need to go back to a blade(I hope not)? What do you find others with my problem have done. Thanks, this forum is the best thing I've seen in a long time.

Ron Deitsch

Thanks for your question, Ron.  You may have read about my acquisition of a Philishave (Norelco) Quadra Action shaver.  I like this shaver because the head assembly on this shaver adjust to the contours of your face in a three-dimensional manner.  This would help your chin.  Their Reflex Action line and the wet/dry Philishave Cool Skin and Norelco Advantage models adjust to your face in the same manner.  Rotary shavers in general (such as the Philishave/Norelco models) are better at shaving the neck area as opposed to foil shavers.  If other people can post their opinions about how their shaver can shave their chin and neck, please let us know.  I can't tell you about shaving my chin because of my beard but I hope others can help.  Thanks again.

From: "DON KRUGER" <don1318@hotmail.com>

Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:09 PM

Gary:

I have been trying several different shavers which I plan on reporting on shortly. But for now, I have a few questions, one is for you and two are for Rick Barrow (if he's still following this forum).

First, for you: One of the shavers I bought (and am keeping) is a Norelco 6885XL. Since it is a reconditioned shaver, it didn't come with a stand. I noticed you did obtain one and was hoping you could tell me where I might get one.

For Rick Barrow: Since you are having so many problems with Panasonic shavers, I wonder if it could be due to the batteries. One of your older emails said that you sometimes used a couple of shavers per session. My two questioned for you are: On average, how long do you use your shaver each day, (Panasonic assumes 3 minutes per shave; taking a lot longer might wear out the batteries sooner)? And secondly, do you follow Panasonic's advice about leaving the shaver plugged in all the time and not discharging it occasionally (which counter's all the other manufacturers' advice)?

Thanks for your time and hope to report on my shaving experience's shortly.

Don

You're welcome, Don and thanks for your note.  As for myself, I got the shaver stand separately from Mercury Shaver Centre (one of my sponsored links) at the same time I got my Philishave HQ6425 Quadra Action shaver from them.   You may be able to get the same stand from Norelco directly although their web site does not list one.  So I suggest contacting Norelco asking if you can get one from them.  I hope this helps and I also hope that Rick can answer your questions.

From: "Paul Miyashiro" <pmiyashiro@home.com>

Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:27 PM

Hi Gary,

Thanks for the very informative website. I have been a regular Norelco user and a few years ago upgraded from a Rotatract HP 1328/E to a refurbished 5885XL. Now that you have upgraded from a Reflex Action to the Quadra Action, have you noticed that it has given you a closer shave than the Reflex Action?

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,

Paul Miyashiro

You're welcome, Paul and thanks for your question.  My Philishave Quadra Action shaver does give me a closer shave, but I had to change my shaving habit to take advantage of the Quadra Action's unique heads.  The holes which make up the inner part of the shaving surface are on a thinner surface as opposed to the slots which make up the outer part of the shaving surface.  So I'm now using a combination of straight and circular motions.  Because the surface of the outer slots is thicker than the inner holes, I can't get as close a shave on the edges of my sideburns and beard which forces me to use my trimmer more.  This is not a complaint, through.  I love this shaver, especially when it comes to cleaning this shaver by rinsing it under the faucet which you cannot do with any other plug-in shaver.  Of course, you must unplug the cord from the shaver before rinsing.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: <tferry@attglobal.net>

Date: Saturday, November 11, 2000 4:23 PM

In reference to Adam's comments on moving from a Mach 3 to a Norelco Quadra shaver...I just purchased a Quadra (model 6865) about a month ago after using the Mach 3 for over a year. I am very happy with it and find that it shaves as close as the Mach 3. Like you I am most concerned with the closeness of the shave, and the Quadra seems to do the trick. I have sensitive skin and every time I would shave with the Mach 3 I would get little blood spots all over and so had to shave right before a shower. I can now shave on my way out the door. Plus, being able to just rinse it clean is great. It's hard to justify buying an expensive electric, but after that initial cost, replacement heads for the Quadra (around $30 once a year) are actually cheaper than Mach 3 blades over the course of a year. You don't have to get the high end with all the bells and whistles. Mine has a LED indicator that shows percentage of charge left. The lowest model doesn't even have that and it's not necessary. The Mach 3 to Quadra trade-off was worth it. I love mine.

T.W.F

I'm glad you do and thanks for your comments.  I personally went beyond what you were looking for in a low-end Quadra Action model as I wanted the non-rechargeable corded Quadra Action shaver as I do not desire another rechargeable shaver as I prefer using a corded shaver when I'm at home.  Because Norelco does not offer a corded Quadra Action shaver in the USA, I got the Philishave HQ6425 corded Quadra Action shaver from Canada.  I was able to obtain a wall-mounted stand designed for this shaver.  I had to modify it by cutting the front of the stand so I could grab the shaver to use it and put it back afterwards while the cord is still attached.  Thanks again for your comments.

From: "Mike Stanbro" <stanbro@easystreet.com>

Date: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:40 PM

I noticed that many of the comments on the forum involve preparation of the beard prior to shaving. I, too, have tried many different approaches including Williams Lectric Shave, dry powder, shaving before showering, shaving after showering, etc. About 20 years ago, I found a procedure that works very well for me and wanted to share it with others.

My wife introduced me to the Neutrogena facial cleansing bar shortly after marriage. I was still fairly young at the time and the residuals of acne were still plaguing me. In addition to helping with acne, the Neutrogen bar really helped my electric shaving! I now keep a bar of it in the shower and use it to wash my face when I shower in the morning. After the shower, I wait until my face and beard are completely dry before I shave.

The Neutrogena bar contains glycerin which is very clean rinsing and leaves little residue. It leaves my skin and beard very dry and the electric razor glides smoothly over my face and the resulting shave is close with very little irritation. When I am forced to use ordinary bar soap, I find the difference rather remarkable!

Because the Neutrogena bar cleans so thoroughly, I recommend that you use a facial moisturizer after shaving to replenish your skin oils. You can find Neutrogena bars in the soap section of most grocery stores and pharmacies.

Mike Stanbro

Tigard, Oregon

Thanks for the tip, Mike.

From: "J.Peter Jorgensen" <jorgy@usa.net>

Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:10 PM

I just wanted to point out to people looking for the Panasonic ES8003 (Sharper Image PA820), that you can sometimes find these new on Sharper Image's auction site http://auction.sharperimage.com/osauction.shtml

Yesterday I placed a bid on one of three that were up for auction and got it for $160. (Bidder #1 got his for $145 and bidder #3 got his for $160 like me.) Here's how the total cost worked out for me:

$160.00 - ES8003

15.95 - Shipping

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$175.95 - subtotal

-10.00 - Sharper Image/Discover Card discount

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$165.95 - Total ($84 less then the store price of $249.95!!!)

Bidder #1 if paying by Discover Card would have saved $99!!!

So, if you're looking for the ES8003, check out Sharper Image's auction site.

God Bless - Jorgy!

Thanks for the tip, Jorgy.

From: David Gindler

Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:19 PM

Hi Gary,

It still holds true that you can find almost anything on the internet. I was looking for opinions on electric razors and found the place!!! Great information.

I thought I would let you know that my favorite site, http://www.netmarket.com has super prices on shavers. I found the Braun Syncro 7546 for $114 and the Norelco 6885XL for $139. Non-member will be a bit higher, but anyone can join and get the first 3 months free. I have purchased from them before they were an internet site ( a BBS years ago ) and have always had great service. Check their http://www.resellerrating.com for more info. ( I don't work for them. I just like to share the info. )

Now, If I could just figure out which razor to buy. My old Norelco is shot, and my Braun clipper doesn't work anymore. I realize I could probably get them fixed, but they are both very old and I would like to find a good new technology razor.

Currently considering both models above. I like the idea that I can return the Norelco if I do not like it. This is tempting and will probably be what I end up with.

Thanks again for the effort.

Regards,

David G

Thanks for the note with your tips, David.  The Braun Syncro is their latest and greatest model and you may know my current personal preference for the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action line of which the 6885XL is an example.  Both product lines have had men on this forum saying they either love it or hate it.  You can use the search feature on your browser to find the comments below.  The Survey Page questions from last March show opinions on each shaver companies' product line.  I'll probably repeat these questions for December's Survey Page.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: Adam

Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:59 AM

Hi, I just had a question regarding Norelco's Quadra Action shavers. I was wondering how well their shave compares with that of a blade. I am currently using Gillette's Mach 3 and it porvides a very close shave but I am tired of the hassles of shaving with a blade. I would switch to an electric but I want to be sure that it will do a reasonable job as far as closeness is concerned. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Adam Powell

Thanks for your question, Adam.  Because I've never used a blade razor, I can't make a personal comparison.  But I've been using a Philishave HQ6425 Quadra Action shaver for over a week now and I'm spoiled.  It's the quietest Philishave/Norelco model I've come across as the noise I mainly hear is from the whiskers being sheared off.  The shave is pretty close and comfortable and my only complaint (a mild one at that) is I need to use the trimmer more for my sideburns and for reshaping my beard.  The heads follow the contours of my bald head (with the few hairs I use this shaver to shave off).  Last, but not least, is the easy cleaning under the faucet.  If there are any others who can make an objective comparison between a Gillette Mach 3 razor and a Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action electric shaver, please let us know.  I hope this helps, Adam.

From: <EHHackney@aol.com>

Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 9:52 AM

Mr. Steel Beard

I am once again considering an electric razor. I have worn a full beard for years, and plan on keeping it. I still have to shave, though, near my lips, under my chin, and in areas where my beard is thin - my upper cheeks and below my lower lip.

Is there a particular razor that you think would be best? I lean towards the Norelco. Cordless, charging from 12 volts, and water cleanup would be nice, but not mandatory.

Thanks for an interesting and informative forum.

Hack

Thanks for your question, Hack.  Although you think that 12 volt charging and water cleanup is nice, but not mandatory, any of the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action rechargeable models would fit the bill.  They use an optional HQ6010 car cord adapter for the 12 volt charging.  I hope this helps.

From: "Chris Charlesworth" <chris.charlesworth@totalise.co.uk>

Date: Sunday, October 29, 2000 4:24 PM

Hi Gary,

Just an update on how things are going with the Philishave. I exchanged the 4856 for a 5806 and am much happier with it. I can't really tell if it works any better or if it's psychological, but I like the action of the heads and I have stopped suffering razor burn completely now after 6 weeks. Am now using a liquid pre shave to lubricate and haven't used my 3 blade wet shaver since I got the Philips.

Thanks again for a great site.

Chris Charlesworth

Huddersfield

UK

You're welcome, Chris and thanks for the update.

From: Solomon Myers

Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:04 PM

Hi Gary.....just sending an update report on my use of the Norelco Quadra Action for all your readers.....I have a heavy curly beard and have been prone to ingrown hairs.....I reported after one week (posted Sept. 2 on your site) that I did not get a very close shave and had neck irritation.....I indicated I would use the razor for the total adjustment period because I liked the washability.

I now get a very close shave (closer than with any previous electrics--about as close as with a blade when shaving with the grain) with absolutely no irritation whatsoever! I had to experiment around a little and have a few comments about that....I tried Williams Lectric Shave as a pre-shave for one and a half weeks and it did not help at all and the alcohol in it annoyed me......I then tried shaving after waking but prior to washing my face for about a week and I got a better shave (recommended by Braun), but still not good enough....I then broke down and bought the Remington Powder pre-shave you recommended and have been using it and shaving about five minutes after getting out of the shower ever since.

That said, it took my beard approximately six full weeks to adjust to the Norelco Quadra Action. Longer than I expected, but well worth the wait. My shaving time is now about 3 to 5 minutes with excellent results, down from 8 to 10 minutes with mediocre results. I was almost ready to send the razor back for the refund, but am very glad I stuck it out. Keep up the good steel beard web work!

Solomon Myers

Thanks for the update, Solomon and I'll try to keep up the good work.  My own new (actually a refurbished) Philishave HQ6425 Quadra Action shaver has me spoiled big time.  I just cleaned it for the first time today and I won't miss having to make sure combs and cutters are matched when I clean this shaver!

From: "mitch deutsch" <mitch_deutsch@yahoo.com>

Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:00 AM

Hello there, I have read thru some of the comments. But looking for more info. I use a Philips and Braun but can't get a close shave. I'm looking for a good pre-shave gel/foam. I use the Williams pre-shave liquid but don't like the smell. Is there something newer and maybe better now a days.

Looking for a closer shave!

Mitch

mitch_deutsch@yahoo.com

Thanks for your question, Mitch.  You may have read that I use a Remington powder stick as a pre-shave, but I decided to take a quick look through drugstore.com to see if there is an unscented pre-shave because you don't like the scent of the pre-shave you're using.  I found an unscented Williams Lectric Shave available which I found at http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=15309&catid=9363    which I hope helps and I also hope that it's available in your area.

From: "Norman Haigh" <haighn@us.ibm.com>

Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 5:14 PM

Mr.Steel Beard,

I have a Braun system 1-2-3 rechargeable ci 3525 shaver that is about 5-7 years old and has seen only intermittent use during this period. During the periods of inactivity I stored the shaver in the fully discharged condition. Currently the shaver will not accept a charge (green charging indicator remains lit but never flashes) even after an hour of charging nor will it work off the cord. Any ideas? Thanks.

Sincerely,

Norm Haigh

IT Specialist

IBM CRM Alliance Services

4111 Northside Parkway, Suite H09L38, Atlanta, GA 30327

Phone: (404) 487-2175 or Tie Line 546-2175

Voicemail / Fax: (509) 461-1069

E-mail: haighn@us.ibm.com

Thanks for your note, Norm.  I would blame the rechargeable batteries which last an average of five years.  Because replacement batteries are now easier to obtain, and assuming you are handy with a soldering iron, I would try replacing the batteries.  Radio Shack is offering rechargeable batteries designed for shavers again.

From: <DGrayson2@aol.com>

Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 3:48 PM

I have noticed a lack of info in your forum on Wahl razors. I happen to be a Wahl razor user. The Wahl 4000 is probably the best razor for people like me with a really heavy beard. By 2 in the afternoon everyday I have "5 o'clock shadow." While no electric razor works great on this kind of beard, the Wahl with the close or super close head works better than most. It's not as stylish or comfortable as some of the newer razors out there by Braun or Norelco/Philips, but it works. I think this is because it has a much higher RPM than any other razor I've tried (with more vibration too unfortunately) and the closer screen does a better job of getting the thick hairs. The replacement screens and cutters tend to be a little cheaper priced than the others too when you can find them. One of your write-ins also mentioned a Wahl staining his face-I've never seen this problem. Thanks for the great Website.

You're welcome and thanks for mentioning your experience with your Wahl shaver.

From: <j.schiferli@philips.com>

Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 10:12 AM

Dear Gary,

Saw some discussion in September about the corrosion resistance of Philips/Norelco shaving heads and cutters. Only shaving heads and cutters of Quadra Action and Advantage/Cool Skin are made of corrosion resistant steel, which allows for rinsing under the tap.

The Quadra Action holes give more closeness because of the local thickness of the shaving heads has been reduced, which is not visible by the naked eye.

Regards, Jos Schiferli <j.schiferli@philips.com>

Thanks for the info, Mr. Schiferli.  Speaking of Quadra Action shavers, I've ordered a Philishave HQ6425 corded Quadra Action shaver from one of my sponsored links, Mercury Shaver Centre of Toronto.

POSTSCRIPT:  Posted October 24, 2000.  The shaver arrived today and it looks great.

From: "Robert A. Barr" <rbarr12@prodigy.net>

Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:49 PM

My father really likes his Norelco 900RX shaver, but the built-in Ni-Cad batteries are just about shot. I ordered a set through Radio Shack and the price was reasonable -- about $19 -- and soldering them in would be no challenge.

The problem is, I can't figure out what tool is required to remove the 4 screws from the back to gain access. It looks like tamper-resistant Torx, but none of mine fit.

I've tried about a thousand web pages and numerous search engines, and I can't find this tidbit of information. Could someone give me a hint?

Thanks!

I can be contacted at: rbarr12@prodigy.net

Thanks for your question, Robert.  Looking through the old service manuals yielded a clue.  The Torx screws listed are described as being 1.8 x 10 /T8.  I would advise going to a hardware store with an excellent selection of screwdrivers along with your shaver to see which Torx screwdriver will fit.  I hope this helps.

FOLLOW UP:  Robert has replied with the following note:   For reference, if this'll help at some future point, the tool that did the trick was at Sears. It's a Craftsman driver, and the part number is 41553. It's their 'Professional', T8x2.5.  And the razor now works like new.  Thanks!

From: "Tom Jacobson & Naomi Scher" <naotom@mindspring.com>

Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:38 AM

I am about to start shaving again after many years of life with a beard. What suggestions do you have to minimize the neck irritation I can expect following years without shaving? Can I expect less discomfort if I have the beard removed by a pro using a straight razor? Once I am back on the electric, it appears that there is no concensus pick for sensitive necks. You have recommended both wet-shaving and, more recently, slotted heads. I would appreciate any ideas on how to decide what would be best for my VERY sensitive neck. Also, any reason not to return to using my old (10yrs+) Norelco Rototract 950RX? It did an OK job, but it regularly bothered my neck. I would certainly buy any shaver which would give me pain-free shaving. Thank you!

Thanks for your note, Tom.  I hope your old Norelco 950RX has a closeness/comfort adjustment.  If it does, then it's worth trying out again.  First, make sure the heads are still in great shape.  Otherwise, a new set of Philishave/Norelco HQ4 heads would be needed.  Also check to see that it runs OK.  A shaver repair shop can lubricate and tune up the shaver if that is needed.  Above all, stay light to the touch and allow about three weeks to a month for your face to become fully accustomed to the new shaving method.  This applies to any electric shaver you may be considering.  Everyone who follows these posting know my personal preference for the Philishave/Norelco Reflex Action shaver, but I'm tempted to check out their Quadra Action shaver for myself.  There are also a lot of foil shaver users out there and they seem to prefer the Panasonic Linear shavers.  I hope this helps.

From: Bryan Crawford

Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:20 PM

I am surprised that I found this forum but I am also glad. I guess this is my last resort to find answers and suggestions. I have super sensitive skin, I guess. Every shaving method I use causes EXTREME irritation. I have recently purchased a Norelco Advantage shaver and I have had many problems. In the close shave category, it gets an A+++. In the irritation department, it gets an F- - -. I used it for the first time and it cut my neck so bad that my entire neck line was bleeding like crazy. I understand that I have to stick it out for three weeks but I have never had anything cut my skin this bad. I have been using a Microscreen 3 and it gets the job done on my cheeks but not on my neck. The Norelco Advantage shaved closer than I have ever felt but it cut the skin on my neck so bad and then it started to burn and my entire neck was red and bleeding for two days. I know this may be a rare case but can anyone tell me if they have had any similar cuts with this line of razors or any tips on how not to get them. I would really appreciate it.

Thank you,

Bryan

Thanks for your note, Bryan.  Cutting your face with an undamaged electric shaver is an extreme case, indeed.  I had experienced a little bleeding when I used a foil shaver, myself.  I hope you didn't press too hard while shaving as that increases the discomfort level.  If anyone has any advice to give in this matter, please let us know.  I hope this helps.

From: "Andrew Levitt"

Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 10:50 PM

Hi Gary,

An interesting thing happened to me. As you may recall from some of my earlier messages, I have tried a number of the more expensive electric shavers - Norelco Quadra Action, Panasonic Linear, Braun Flex Integral, Grundig Roltronic, Remington Intercept, and have been unhappy with all of them for one reason or another. Recently my uncle (who shaves with a 30-year old electric shaver, a Schick perhaps) gave me a Remington Microscreen 2, corded, that he kept as a spare. To my surprise, I like it better than the more "high-end" brands. I've only been using it for about 10 days, but so far it gives a decent shave without a lot of irritation. It just goes to show that expensive is not always the best. By the way, I have found it better to shave with a circular motion. I'll let you know if my experience changes.

Thanks for the update, Andrew.

From: Lisa Towers

Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:37 AM

Thanks for the wonderful service.

I am switching from a blade (Tracer). Years ago I used a Norelco butas not too happy with it. And of course everyone has their favoriteo I am having a hard time. (I understand you perfer Norelco.) As you mentioned, Consumer Reports has not evaluated electric razors!

One razor which interests me is a shaver which I used to see in catalogs but can't seem to find now. It was billed as the "austronaut razor" and a friend of mine said he used one in the marines and loved it. It has a zip cord which you yank to get the clipper blades rotating under the foil. No electricity! I'm kind of an eco-nut (Thats ecological not economical) so the idea appeals to me. But it is not so appealing that I will buy one if it doesn't give a good shave.

Do you have any info about this centrigugal shaver? I would love to hear whether it works well, how much it should cost, and (if it passes the previous tests) where I can buy one.

Thanks, again!

-Dave Miller

Thanks for your question, Dave.  This mechanical shaver I've seen in catalogues which sell 'green' products, friendly to the environment.  While a quick check shows no shavers listed, I've seen them occasionally on eBay.  I don't recall getting any input from anyone who has used this shaver so I do not have an opinion as to how well it works.  I hope this helps.

From: "Darren" <darreng@ihug.com.au>

Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:22 PM

Great site Mr Steel Beard. Well Done.

I have a Braun 5550 that I bought in 1998 sometime. It needs a new battery but I don't know how to take thing apart.. I was told in Australia that it would cost me A$120 to replace the battery but I know I can buy the actual battery for A$15.

The socket where the cord plugs in appears to have a fitting that may use a proprietary tool to unscrew it. That's my guess so far. Please help.

Mr Stubble.

Thanks for your question.  What's the shape of the head of the screw?  While I don't have a Braun shaver to check the screw heads, I'm wondering if the recess is in the shape of a star.  If it is, then it's a Torx screw of which there are different types of Torx heads.  My suggestion is to go to a hardware store which has an excellent selection of screwdrivers with your shaver to see which screwdriver will fit onto the screws of your shaver.  I've seen another appliance with a split flat head of which I filed away the middle of the tip of a flat head screwdriver in order to dismantle the item.  I hope this helps.

From: <AJBPowell@aol.com>

Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 11:33 AM

Hello, my name is April Powell, i am trying/Desperatly to find a WaterProof Beard and Mustache Trimmer, can you help me???? Please!

My husband does not really like shavers, just the trimmers and He needs one that he can use to do his face in the shower. I have looked in stores for a WaterProof Trimmer but can't seem to find any, Please can you help?

April Powell Thankyou!

P.s. Tried Emailing the Other mail to ask Questions but it seems to not go through, Sorry!

Thanks for your question which came out OK, April.  Unfortunately, my search engines found no references to waterproof beard trimmers.  If anyone knows of any waterproof beard trimmers which are available (or will be available if anyone from a beard trimmer company is reading this), please let us know.

From: Alon R

Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 3:43 AM

Hello,

I am wondering if you can help me. I am looking for some advice and you seem to be the one with the expertise. I have been shaving for the last 11 years and have had nothing but problems. Since I can remember I have had sensitive skin. I have done anything and everything...including going to a dermatologist. I have even considered getting the hair on my face permanently laser removed. I suffer from very, very sensitive skin. I have tried washing my face with soap, shaving in the shower, using after shave, special creams, but nothing seems to work. I tend to get very bad razor bumps on my neck due to shaving. The only thing that I have not tried yet is a quality electric shaver. I was wondering if you had any suggestion as to which electric shaver would remedy my problem. To be honest, at this point, money is not a concern. If I can find an electric shaver that will give me a close shave without the irritation, then I am willing to spend the bucks. If you could get back to me I would appreciate it. Thank you. Alon

Thanks for your inquiry, Alon.  I would suggest a shaver which has slotted heads.  There used to be shavers available which has slotted heads and reciprocating cutters such as the type Remington offered for several years.  A Remington outlet store may have this discontinued shaver.  Of the widely available shavers, the closest thing currently available is a Braun InterFace which is a hybrid foil and slotted head shaver.  If anyone else reading this has a suggestion, please let us know.

From: "Jeff Smith" <SMITHJ@mail.utenn.edu>

Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:33 PM

I have recently entered the market for electric razors. I found this forum very useful. I have decided to purchase the Panasonic Linear 8068. I have been price looking and thought your readers might like to know I found the Panasonic at www.comfortliving.com for 134.95 with no shipping or handling charges. I looked at every web link in your forum and many other ones. I am a research fanatic. In addition to the Panasonic razor comfortliving.com has some very good prices on many, many other items as well. If anyone finds this razor anywhere else, any less expensive please let me know.

Thanks for letting us know, Jeff.  Just to let everyone know about what I'm keeping my eye out for, Mercury Shaver Centre at http://www.shavercentre.com has a factory refurbished corded Philishave Quadra Action HQ6425 shaver for $99.00 Canadian which is approximately $68.00 US plus shipping.  Repeating Jeff's request, if anyone else finds these shavers (either the Panasonic Linear 8068 or the Philishave Quadra Action HQ6425) at less expensive prices, please let us know.

From: Archbishop Randolph Sly

Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:26 PM

Gary,

I wanted to give you an update on my switch to a Quadra Action from my Braun (my letter from August 28). I stuck with the Norelco and the neck irritation has gone down significantly. I have switched between a number of pre-shaves (Lectric Shave, Parks Pre-Aft, Remington Lotion, Dry powder) to try and decrease friction on my skin. There is a lot more "metal" being pushed around than with my foil razor. While there comments are subjective, perhaps they will help. Also, any tips would be welcomed.

1. I think the rotary head actually makes my skin "feel better" afterward. I have noticed some changes where my skin used to feel raw.

2. The shave is not as consistently close as foil. I have to be more careful to cover spots.

3. My neck still gets irritated. This area seems harder to shave.

4. I have trouble getting a close share up near the sideburn area. The foil type seemed to navigate that better. I think the Quadra head makes it hard to get close since the holes - supposedly for a closer shave - are in the interior portion of the rotary head.

I'm still trying to figure out whether to go back or stick with it.

Randy Sly

Thanks for the update, Randy.

From: "Richard Holen" <rholen@yahoo-inc.com>

Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 5:09 PM

I originally purchased my 6550, which I love the saving performance of, back in December of 1999. The first year of operation was not problematic. Since April of 2000, I have had the motor fail three times! The first two times I had the motor replaced. The third time, I contacted Braun directly and they authorized a completely refurbished razor to be given to me by the authorized repair service center here in San Francisco. I used it for approx. two months and it died, mid-shave, 10/10/2000.

When the unit first failed, I was told the blades were dirty from using pre-shaves, which caused the problem. Although I was confident that I was properly maintaining the 6550. I went so far as to clean it with alcohol, as recommended, after every use!. After the second failure - I stopped using pre-shaves altogether!

Design flaw??

Richard Holen

Thanks for your inquiry, Richard  The Braun 6550 having reliability problems again?  When the model was introduced in 1998, I noticed that a few users were having quality control problems with that shaver.  You can look up the 1998 Tell Mr. Steel Beard postings and use your browser's find feature to find these postings.  Does anyone else want to post their recent experiences with the Braun 6550?

From: "irving schwartz" <iconx@pacbell.net>

Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 12:39 PM

My friend,

I have developed several razor bumps on one cheek. could this be the result of using an electric? Panasonic Linear wet with shaving foam as recommended . Is there a remedy?

Irv.

Thanks for your question, Irv.  I would try to shave with a lighter touch.  Are the razor bumps on your right cheek or your left cheek?  This question is in relation to if you're right handed or left handed.  I don't have a ready answer, unfortunately.  If anyone reading this has a possible solution, please let us know.

From: "Doug Raeburn"

Date: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:48 PM

Subject: Braun Syncro

I'm on my 3rd Braun shaver... they haven't worn out, I've just upgraded periodically. I just got a Braun Syncro to replace my Flex Integral, and I really like it. It's very lightweight, easy to handle and has an ergonomic shape. The shave is noticeably closer than the Flex, as well as fast since you don't have to shave multiple times over the same spot. Also, I've found that the side-to-side motion helps with the problems with shaving the neck.

The cleaner is nice, if a bit gadgety... it does the job. The only downside is that the cleaning unit is pretty big and takes up counter room.

I think this shaver goes a long way to address the areas in which foil shavers have been weak. I recommend it highly.

Doug Raeburn, Pewaukee, WI, USA

Thanks for telling your experience with your Braun Syncro shaver.

From: "R A Barrow" <skeezix@epix.net>

Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:25 PM

Gary,

My Panasonic Linear ES882 just arrived from the repair place. The letter I enclosed said:

"While your facility expediently repaired the shaver and returned it to me, there was nothing packed with it to indicate the problem or your solution. I would really appreciate your informing me what action you take on this repair."

In spite of my request, there was no paperwork enclosed with the returned shaver. I even gave them my home and work telephone numbers and my e-mail address. The shaver sounds the same or worse than when I shipped it to them. The proof will be in the performance.

For the benefit of anyone who needs to send a Panasonic in for repair, Turnpike Appliance's new address is:

3495A Lawson Blvd.

Oceanside NY 11572-4905

Thanks,

"Rick" Barrow

Tannersville PA

Thanks for the update, Rick.

From: Sharon Barber

Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:20 PM

Dear Sir,

I have been reading your fine site now for almost 3 years. I have had trouble switching to electric razors but have remained steadfast in the search for a suitable razor. I had all but given up until I tried the Panasonic brand. WOW! Clearly the superior razor, with shaving foam and that high speed motor my shaves are far superior to any other razor, even a blade. And it washes up so easily. I will soon buy the linear I think just so I have two in the house so I never have to go back to a blade incase the foil ever breaks. Thanx

You're welcome, Sharon and thanks for your note.  I'm glad the Electric Shaver Page was helpful to you.

From: <BobPastor@aol.com>

Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:49 AM

Gary:

I was on the German Braun website today (http://www.braun.com/d/p/sh/sh.htm?/d/p/sh/mv/mv3511_con.htm) and the 3520 and 3508 shavers shown are just like my beloved Braun Micron Vario 3 shaver which is on its last legs. Are you aware of anyone selling the 3520 or 3508 shavers in the United States or do you know of a way to buy them over the internet? I called Braun's United States 800 number and they weren't able to help me. Thanks so much and keep up the great work!

Bob

Thanks for your inquiry Bob.  A quick look through the search engines yielded two German on-line stores which offer the Braun 3520 Micron Vario shaver.  I hope you know German as that's the language on these web sites.  The URLs are http://www.technikdirekt.de and http://www.rasurdirect.de.   I hope this helps.

From: "R A Barrow" <skeezix@epix.net>

Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:40 PM

Gary,

I have not checked in for a while. My Panasonic ES882 is on its way back to Panasonic service for the second time since June. It has the same problem(s) all mine have had--the motor balks, and it no longer takes a charge. I have been using both the ES882 and the (new, replacement) ES8065. The ES882 seemed to perform better when it worked. I still do not see mail from people whose Panasonics prematurely failed. Perhaps my beard is the Linears' 'kiss of death.' Keep up the great service you do with this site.

"Rick" Barrow

Thanks for the update, Rick.

From: "Jason L. Johnston" <jaylane326@email.msn.com>

Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:56 AM

Gary:

I've been using Norelco (Philishave) razors for 10 years now. When the 900 series "lift and cut" razor came out, I purchased one along with the EHC-100 electronic head cleaner. I go through that cleaning process about once a month. I'm currently using a 5885 Reflex Action (three years now). New heads annually.

Now we've got the latest 6000 series with a rinseable head assembly, which certainly sounds like a better way to keep the razor clean. But it doesn't sound like the addition of the "holes" with the slots has resulted in a substantially better shave. When one uses the electronic (ultrasonic) head cleaner, you still rinse it with tap water and as you well know, it mostly air dries as it's impossible to dry the blades. Why wouldn't it work to just rinse the Reflex Action head assembly daily under the tap? After all, it's stainless steel and doesn't mind the water when using the factory cleaner (which I suspect is the same quaternium ammonia solution used in barber shops for sterilizing their stainless steel implements).

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this...

Thanks sincerely,

Jason Johnston

Thanks for your question, Jason.  The electrosonic head cleaner I use is the version sold in Canada, the Philips SHC100 which I purchased a few years ago at the late, lamented Eaton's store in Sarnia, Ontario which, as the great Canadian comedy group The Royal Canadian Air Farce said, got Wal-Marted.  I also use this cleaner once a month.  After rinsing and before putting the parts back together, I use paper towels to blot dry the combs and cutters.  I have a feeling that not blotting dry the heads could cause corrosion problems over time. The 6000 Series Philishave/Norelco shavers are not the first to have all-waterproof heads.  The Philishave Cool Skin and Norelco Advantage wet/dry shavers have similar Reflex Action heads but are not interchangeable with other Philishave/Norelco models.  I believe that the Cool Skin/Advantage, like the Quadra Action models, have more corrosion resistant materials which allow for daily cleaning under the tap.  I believe the holes in the Quadra Action shavers are a way to get those who like foil shavers to try the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers as the slots do a better job at longer whiskers.  If any other person has something to say about this, please let me know.

From: "David & Sally Mulhern" <mulhern@mediaone.net>

Date: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:19 PM

Hi Gary: I was recently on a trip to an area of the country where use of water softeners is common. While I was there I shaved with my Braun as per usual - i.e. after showering. I noticed that showering in this super-soft water seemed to help the whole shaving process some even after drying off. The whiskers somehow seemed softer and my face was maybe a bit more slippery. Have you had any similar experience, or comments from anyone else, or is this just my imagination? I'd be interested in whether water softness is actually one of the variables in shaving quality. Thanks as always for this great web-site.

Regards, David Mulhern

Thanks for your note, David.  That's a good issue to point out in areas where water softeners are necessary to minimize mineral buildup and problems when doing laundry.  As for myself, I live in a city where we get our water from Lake Huron, one of the North American Great Lakes.  So I have no problems with hard water.  I once lived in a area where the well water was notoriously hard, but that was many years ago so my memories are now faded as for my hard water shaving experience.  If anyone living in a home with a water softener can tell their shaving experience, please let me know.

From: "Chris Charlesworth" <chris.charlesworth@totalise.co.uk>

Date: Thursday, September 14, 2000 3:16 PM

Hi and thanks for the advice. I'm on my fifth shave with the HQ4856 now and things are improving,the shave is very close and by dusting my neck with ordinary talcum powder before shaving I find the razor burn is drastically reduced. Given that it is supposed to take two to three weeks to adjust I'm pretty pleased with the results so far. Maybe the HQ5806 would have been even better but as we can't return products once the box has been opened in the UK I don't have the option to change back. Still as I said, my face is getting used to it and I don't have any problem getting around the contours.

Thanks again for the advice and I'll try Remington to see if the Facesaver stick is available over here.

Regards

Chris Charlesworth

Thanks for the update, Chris.

POSTSCRIPT:  After the above update was uploaded, Chris E-mailed me with the following new update:  Just to let you know the SP-5 Facesaver is available in the UK by mail order or collection from Remington shops in York 01904 677899, Birmingham 0121 236 1252 and Bristol 0117 926 8323. I'll be trying it out. Chris  (end of pasted reply)   Thanks again, Chris.

From: "Chris Charlesworth" <chris.charlesworth@totalise.co.uk>

Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 4:24 PM

Hi,

After years of wet shaving, most recently using the excellent Mach 3 razor, I decided to try an electric shaver. After much deliberation, I went for the Philips HQ4856. I am reasonably satisfied with it's performance, accepting that an electric is never going to match a wet shaver, but have experienced a lot of razor burn around my neck. from your postings I see that a lot of you use some form of pre-shave. Can you recommend anything which is available in the UK? Also, just to upset me a little more, would the difference in performance between my micro system and the reflex system have been noticeably better as I actually bought the HQ 5806 first, then changed my mind and the shaver!

Chris Charlesworth

Huddersfield

UK

Thanks for your note, Chris.  The Philishave HQ4856 shaver you have is a Micro Action model which you may get used to using and it does provide a pretty close shave.  I would have preferred the HQ5806 whose Reflex Action heads adjust to the contours of your face better for closer contact so you may not need to go over an area as many times for the desired shave which would improve the comfort level.  The pre-shaves which people (including myself) mention do lubricate your skin which also allows you to use fewer motions in one area.  I use a Remington SP-5 FaceSaver powder stick which is sold in North America.  While I don't know if Remington in the United Kingdom offers a similar pre-shave, the Remington UK web page gives the Remington UK Consumer Hotline number which is 0800 212 438.  So you can find out for yourself.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: "Mike McDermott" <mmcdermott@netzero.net>

Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:29 PM

Here's another good site which has shaver info.

http://www.productopia.com/1c/0,1524,1-294-0,FF.html

I'm more confused than ever. Looking at the surveys on this site, it seems the most hated and most loved electric razors are the same brands!

I've been using Remington razors for probably 20 years. My latest one is a TA series triple foil deal. I replaced the batteries a year or so ago, but it has recently developed a problem my other ones did. The trimmer doesn't work unless I lubricate it every day or hold it just right. I've taken it apart a few times and really can't tell what the problem is except it seems key components are plastic. I once tried a Norelco and the shave was terrible. Don't know the brand, perhaps the newer or more expensive ones are better. I have a tough beard which grows quickly. I sometimes shave twice a day. I'm looking for a good quality razor and am really confused by all the information. I would appreciate if someone could make a table comparing features and quality of different razors. Thank You

Mike McDermott

Thanks for your note, Mike.  The most subjective product comparison listing I could find currently for shavers are the results of Electric Shaver Page Survey Page results I have links to from earlier this year.  I would love to see Consumer Reports magazine have an article on electric shavers, but I do not see one coming from them in the near future.  You've already noted that there are several models of shavers which are both loved and hated by different users.  The shaver I like (a Philishave/Norelco Reflex Action model) is hated by several others.  As for your current problem, I suggest taking your Remington to a shaver repair shop to see if it's worth fixing.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: Solomon Myers

Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:09 PM

I recently splurged and purchased the Norelco Quadra and have been shaving with it for about 1 week. I have a heavy beard and have historically had problems with ingrown hairs. I have in the past successfully used the Braun 1-2-3 and a Norelco Double Action. I will use the razor for the full recommended adjustment period because I like the easy cleaning with water, the style, the quiet operation, etc. However, so far, I have neck irritation and have found it not so good at catching the long hairs on my neck or under my chin. One key observation, my Norelco double action did not give an extremely close shave, but the shave was acceptable because all of the hairs were trimmed to the same length and thus I got a clean cut appearance. I get a closer shave with the Quadra, but the hairs are not cut to the same length. I suspect this is due to the combination of slots and holes. If Norelco/Philips is listening, I think my ideal shave would be a Reflex Action shaver (all slots) combined with the water washability of the Quadra. Ideally, I would like to convert my Quadra to such a razor simply by replacing the heads, and if need be the blades. Just a thought for those of us with heavy curly beards. A copy of the above portion of this message was sent to Norelco by E-mail.

Also, for the Mr. Steel Beard readers, I think it would help all of the readers if the commenters would specify their beard type. The opinions and observations of someone with a light beard will obviously be less relevant to someone with a heavy beard and vice versa. Some commenters provide this info, but many are not so forthcoming.

Thanks for your note and the reader suggestion, Solomon.  Because of design differences between the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action and Reflex Action models, I don't think the heads are interchangeable.  Philips does make a waterproof shaver with the Reflex Action heads, the Philishave Cool Skin (called the Norelco Advantage in the USA).  This is a wet/dry shaver as opposed to the Quadra Action models which are intended for dry shaving only.  The only down side to the Cool Skin/Advantage is that the shaver only operates as a cordless.  The Quadra Action is the first waterproof shaver designed to be plugged into a mains or power outlet.  I hope Philips/Norelco will give you a satisfactory reply to your E-mail.

From: <Paulvanston@cs.com>

Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 9:35 AM

Since I'm currently trying to choose a new electric razor, I was very glad to find your website. Having read through many of the e-mails, I'm starting to conclude that Norelco / Philishave are generally very well regarded, but perhaps you can advise which model (from the bewildering range) is most suitable for me: micro action, double action, reflex action, quadra action etc. My "shaving profile" is as follows:

- I don't like shaving: to me it is a daily chore to be tolerated.

- If I can avoid shaving, I will: I currently use an electric shaver on weekdays only, don't bother at weekends and then use a blade on Sunday night to start the new week.

- I'm more bothered about getting a good overall shave (including face, chin & neck) rather than having an amazingly close shave.

- I've never had a decent razor: I'm 33 now and (until recently) I'm still using a cheap Braun "linear universal" given to me for a birthday more than 10 years ago.

- The top-grade shavers seem to me to be very expensive. Having said that, if they make the chore quicker and more reliable than I'm used to, I guess I'd be happy to pay up - but I'm worried that I might pay above £100 and not see any improvement from the cheap shaver I've used for years.

Can you please advise?

Paul Vanston, England

PS: If you try a shaver and don't like it, is it ever possible to return or replace it?

Thanks for your note, Paul.  My immediate suggestion is to try one of the Philishave Reflex Action shavers which can be found in your price range nowadays.  Whilst the Philips UK web site at http://www.philips.co.uk does NOT mention any promotions or money back offers at this writing, you can send an E-mail through the global Philips DAP web site at http://www.homeandbody.philips.com and click on the word 'feedback' on the top of the page.  By choosing United Kingdom as your country, your inquiry will be sent directly to Philips DAP in the UK.  I hope this helps.

Name: Peter <xorg@visto.com>

Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 06:00 PM

Subject: Norelco Quadra vs. Panasonic Linear!

What follows is the end result of eights weeks of testing a Panasonic Linear Model ES8003A (the top-of-the-line Linear only available from The Sharper Image), and a Norelco Quadra 6887XL.

This is my story!

I have a dark and heavy beard, and thanks to my ancestory, I'm also blessed with frequent ingrown whiskers. Over my 20+ years of shaving, I used blades. I tried switching to electrics at least three times, mostly with Norelcos, always with failure. Too much irritation, not-so-close shaves. But this summer I decided to try the latest batch of shavers.

I first purchased a Panasonic Linear from the Sharper Image. This is one heavy and powerful shaver, the wet/dry feature is also awesome! Its cuts really close, as in REALLY close, I mean almost TOO close! The first week I used this shaver I was in serious pain. Bad irritation, and the shaver seemed to enjoy taking off the first layer of my skin along with my whiskers. I couldn't even splash water on my face for hours after shaving - it was that bad. But I stuck with it! I used light foam most of the time with good results.

After three weeks, my face got used to shaver and the irritation improved substantially, I also learned to stop cutting my skin. It does an exceptional job on my face, but where it falls down is under the chin line. No matter how I try, I keep having to shave several times to get the whiskers there, which leads to irritation.

One serious flaw with the shaver is it stand up design. The swivel heads don't move that much, and its hard to get a good feel for pressure and cutting effect under your jaw bone. Its also hard to hold - especially given its heft. On the plus side, it recharges fast and I love the charger stand.

Ok, went back to blades for a week, then tried the Norelco. The first time I fired up the Norelco, I thought it was broken. This baby is whisper quiet - very light too! The Panasonic Linear sounds like a jack hammer compared to the Norelco. I used light foam again and the shave was incredible. It took me half the time to shave compared to the Panasonic, no irritation at all, and it was a joy to hold and manuever across my face, even under the jaw line.

On the downside, the Norelco doesn't shave as close as the Panasonic - don't get me wrong, its still a great close shave, just not as close. This may actually be a good thing, since my face also doesn't sting afterwards like it does with the Panansonic, so its not grabbing the whiskers as hard (I guess.)

So after trying these two electrics, the Panasonic is going back, and I think I'll do my best to stick with the Norelco. In the end, it was a toss up, but the Norelco is also about $75-100 cheaper than the Panasonic, so everything else considered, it wins.

I would recommend that for their next design, Panasonic copy Norelco's design to make their shaver easier to hold and use. Some kind of cutting depth adjustment would also be ideal.

Thanks for mentioning your experience with these shavers, Peter.

From: "Matt Cassell" <mcassell@willamette.com>

Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:53 PM

I'm in the market for a new electric razor and I'm trying to decide between the dry Norelco 6885, and the wet/dry Panasonic 8068 and the Norelco 5665.

I've always used a dry Norelco, and been happy with it. However, I've heard the wet/dry gives one a better shave. Should I try something new, or stick with the old cliché "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Thanks for your help and a great site,

Matt

Thanks for your note, Matt.  If you're happy with the way you are shaving, I'd stay with what you're doing.  The shaver companies have been promoting wet/dry shavers to those who want to try electric shavers but want to retain the experience of wet shaving.  Both Panasonic with their Linear 8000 series and Philips with their Philishave Cool Skin and Norelco Advantage shavers have been very successful in their marketing of wet/dry shavers.  But those of us who have been using dry electric shavers for several years like the convenience of not using water while shaving.  The Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action line, which includes the 6885 you mention, is a dry shaver which has a waterproof housing which makes cleaning much easier, just like with wet/dry shavers.  I hope this helps.

From: "Dennis Landin" <Dennis.Landin@citicorp.com>

Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:25 PM

First and foremost, thank you for providing a very helpful and educational site!

What is the best (best rated) electric razor available in the US today?

I've read some reviews, but I've recieved mixed messages.

Thanks for your help!

Respectfully,

Dennis Landin

Thanks for your note, Dennis.  Electric shaver preferences can be very subjective and the foil vs. rotary debate rages on.  Consumer Reports magazine has not published an article on shavers for a number of years so the best source seems to be the Electric Shaver Page's own survey page from last February and March.  Based on those responses, the best foil shaver is one of the Panasonic Linear 8000 series models and the best rotary shaver is one of the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action models. I hope this helps.

From: Archbishop Randolph Sly

Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:30 PM

Dear Gary,

Thanks for maintaining a very practical and helpful page. I come back here regularly for information, etc. I have been using an electric razor for over 30 years. Ever since they came out, I have been using foil shavers, the latest of which is a Braun Integral Ultra-Speed. I have always had good success. Recently I was given a gift of a Norelco Quadra-Action 6885XL. While I have had problems with Norelco's in the past, I thought I'd give this one a serious try because of the unique shaving system. The shave seems to be satisfactory but the irritation to my neck is significant, something I have never experienced with my Brauns (or earlier Remingtons). I am also using the Parks Pro/Aft shaving lotion. I need some advice.

1. Should I give up and go back to the foil?

2. Should I push on and expect the irritation to stop after my face gets used to the razor?

3. Should I switch to a dry powder and see if that makes a difference?

My neck will greatly appreciate any wisdom given.

Randy Sly

Thanks for your note, Randy.  I would first suggest giving the Norelco shaver a chance.  Norelco has a no-risk guarantee offer which you can find at http://norelco.com/norisk/SuperGuarantee.shtml   This URL will give all the details.  I should note that this applies only to Norelco shavers mentioned in this offer which are purchased in the USA.  The powder stick I mentioned in previously replies does help in making the shaving surface glide to your skin with less friction so you would have an easier time shaving with fewer strokes in the same spot and fewer strokes mean less irritation.  The only down side to this pre-shave is that the shaver requires more frequent cleaning.  But then the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shaver's waterproof construction makes cleaning a breeze compared to their regular dry shavers.   In the event that you do decide to take advantage of Norelco's offer, since you have had good luck with Braun, then I suggest going back to one. I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: "Seth" <saleseman@bigfoot.com>

Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:43 AM

I've been using a Remmington TF400 for a couple years. About a month ago I noticed a sudden drop in performance - it started taking a lot longer to shave - so I put in a new set of cutters and microscreen. Normally I'd expect a sharp improvement with new cutters/screens, but it didn't help at all. I used it with the new cutters/screens for a few weeks, and then there was another drop in performance. Now it is as if the cutters are worn out. It really grabs the beard, but doesn't cut hardly at all. I'll have to keep going over the same area. Normally the screens will wear out long before the cutters will. I've never had the cutters wear out this much on this shaver even after over a year of use, much less just 2 weeks! I tried a silicon lubercant spray today but it didn't help. But I noticed that when I ran it without the head sembly, the cutters randomly twitched around erratically, especially the middle one. Is that normal? Any ideas what could be wrong? Thank You.

Thanks for your question, Seth.  Have you taken this shaver to a repairman to get the insides of the shaver cleaned and lubricated?  When you remove the cutters, does the shaft(s) twitch just like it does with the cutters attached as you described it?  If it does, I hope the shaver needs to be lubed.  Of course the shaver repairman will tell you if there are worn parts involved.  With a two year old shaver, I would doubt there would be worn internal parts.  I hope this helps.

From: <j.schiferli@philips.com>

Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:16 AM

Dear Gary,

I saw some discussion about the HQ100 cleaning device.

The HQ100 is a manually operated cleaning device. By means of a spring loaded bellow device special cleaning fluid is pumped through the integral shaving unit. The complete shaving unit of any 2 or 3-header (adapters included) fits in the device. It is not necessary to take the shaving unit apart and clean all seperate parts. The HQ100 'Action Clean' cleaning device and HQ101 refill cleaning fluid are only available under the Philishave brand outside the USA, mainly in Europe

regards, Jos Schiferli

Thanks for your note with the infomation about the Philishave HQ100 cleaning unit, Mr. Schiferli.  This would be a great way to make the otherwise tedious cleaning of Philishave/Norelco heads much easier for those who do not have either the Quadra Action or Cool Skin/Advantage shavers.  I wish that this manually operated cleaner was more widely available.

From: "Adam Feitelberg" <afeitelberg@hotmail.com>

Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:08 AM

Mr.Steel Beard,

I have a pretty bad case of razor bumps (ingrown hairs) on my neck. Currently I shave with the Mach 3 but I'm thinking of making the switch to an electric raozr. I have seen mixed comments as to whether my neck will be better off with an electric or not. Is there a chance my ingrown hair situation will decrease if I use an electric? If so, should I use a rotary or foil blade? Do you have a specific razor suggestion around the $100 price range?

Thanks for all your time.

Adam

You're welcome, Adam and thanks for your note.  Rotary shavers seem to do a better job at reducing the ingrown hair situation compared to foil shavers.  I've noticed more foil shavers on the marketplace which has a slotted head set of cutters such as the Braun InterFace, but I've received mixed responses from users of this shaver.  At your price range of $100, which I assume is in American dollars, I would suggest one of the Philishave/Norelco 5000 series Reflex Action shavers.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: "DANB" <DANB@rswedroearchitects.com>

Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 2:13 AM

GARY,

DOES THE PANASONIC 8000 LINEAR SERIES HAVE SEALED BATTERIES OR REPLACEABLE BATTERIES?

I'D SURE HATE TO DISCARD A SHAVER SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS RECHARGABLE BATTERIES ARE EXHAUSTED!

ALSO, DO THE 8000'S COME WITH AN A/C CORD, LIKE THE BRAUN 6500 SERIES FLEX INTEGRAL ULTRA SPEED'S?

THANKS, DAN

Thanks for your note, Dan.  Looking back at the old E-mail and looking at the various global Panasonic/National web sites, I am led to believe that the batteries are sealed.  From what I understand, you can send this shaver directly to a Panasonic repair depot for them to replace the battery and reseal the shaver to keep it waterproof. (You may E-mail Panasonic for further info).  The shavers cannot be plugged in directly.  They come with an induction-type recharging stand, just like electric toothbrushes.  So the shavers cannot operate with a mains cord.  I hope this helps.

From: Lawrence E. Gavin <gavinl@tir.com>

Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:48 PM

Subject: New Shaver Concept

I have developed a new concept in electric shavers & I would like to know if your readers can give me an indication of whether it's worth pursuing thru the patent process.

This design not only changes the cutting process from pinching the whisker off to slicing it but also includes a self cleaning cutter head. This would result in a quieter, vibration free unit that will yield a smoother, more comfortable shave since the pulling of the whisker is eliminated.

Hopefully, one of your manufacturer readers might show an interest.

L. Gavin

Rochester, MI

Thanks for your note, Lawrence. I've received E-mail from shaver companies which mention that they do follow these postings. Occasionally, a shaver company executive would feel compelled to post a note in reply to a previous posting. I wish you luck in getting the shaver companies interested in your idea.

From: William W. Sater

Date: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:30 PM

Thank you for a very good web site and service to electric shaving fans.

I have been shaving with a Norelco Quadra Action and really like the easy cleanup under water. I am not extremely happy the closeness of the shave, but think that Norelco is overall the best razor. Does the Reflex Action shave closer than the Quadra Action? I look forward to your opinion.

Thanks for your question, William.  The Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action line is the latest one from Philips.  As for closeness, I would give both the Quadra Action and Reflex Action about an even score.  Both adjust to your face in a three-dimensional manner.  The main differences between the two product lines are that the Quadra Action shavers add holes to 33% of the shaving surface to get the shorter whiskers better with the rest of the surface being slots, while the Reflex Action heads are all slots which have a slight microgroove on them.  Of course, the slots are great at cutting longer whiskers.  I hope this helps.

From: "Axel Schaab" <as@tf.uni-kiel.de>

Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 5:54 AM

Hi Gary,

first of all many thanks for your very informative and helpful page. I recently swapped from wet shave to electrical razor and the information your page provided was essential in deciding what shaver to buy. Which leads me to my question:

I purchased a Philishave QuadraAction HQ 6851 (Europe). (Which is equivalent to Norelco 6846XL) One reason for my choice was the possibility to clean the shaver with water. As I live in an area with very high mineral content in the water, I now wonder whether this will affect the shaver in some way ?

I found that there exists a cleaning set, called HQ100 (again: european designation). Do you have any information about how this works (i.e. ultrasonic cleaning ?) and if it could possibly help in removing any mineral residue ?

Many thanks again for your nice page, always a clean shave :-),

Greetings, -Axel-

Thanks for your note, Axel.  From what I understand, the Quadra Action shavers are designed to be cleaned by opening the unit and putting the heads under a running faucet.  Hard water should not be an issue in cleaning a Quadra Action shaver under the faucet.  While I'm not familiar with the HQ100 cleaner, Philips sold a since discontinued electrosonic head cleaner in Canada, the SHC100 which came with a tray to keep combs and cutters together and used a special concentrated solution which I understand is still available in the USA.  This head cleaner they told me is NOT suggested for use with the Quadra Action line because of the different metals used for the waterproof shaver.  The ultrasonic action is to remove residual whiskers and other residue from normal shaving.  I have one myself and the instructions say to completely submerge the dismantled head assembly in the diluted solution, close the lid and let the unit run for 10 to 15 minutes.  Then rinse the head assembly under the faucet and throughly dry before assembling.  Then use their spray lubricant following the lubricant's instructions. Needless to say, this is a rather tedious job so I do this about once a month.  This makes the Quadra Action look good as far as cleaning the shaver is concerned.  Again, the Philips people believe hard water with high mineral content should not impede in cleaning the Quadra Action shavers.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: <Ben.Hughes@sm.stmarys-tr.nthames.nhs.uk>

Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:48 AM

Dear Mr Steel Beard

I have been using a the old Philishave Tracer for a number of years, but the time has come to buy a new shaver ... the only problem being I'm not sure which one ... do I stay with Philishave or try a foil shaver like Remington?

Please help.

Many thanks

Ben

Thanks for your note, Ben.  Because your face is used to your old Philishave Tracer 2-head shaver, and assuming you've been satisfied with that shaver, I would suggest staying with Philishave. The models currently available which replaced the Tracer line have a better shape if you want to stay with a 2-head model.  If you want to go to a 3-head model, you can't go wrong with either the Quadra Action or Reflex Action Philishave models.  I hope this helps.

From: "Michael Prince" <mwp1971@earthlink.net>

Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:35 PM

Hello, I have been approximately shaving for about ten years and have always used a blade razor. I can get a couple shaves out of Gillette Sensor and Mach Three with great success. However, my employment has a policy on being clean shaven and I must shave every day of the work week (5 days in a row). Among the obvious of tearing my face up and getting occasional razor bumps, I have chosen to try a Braun 5416 Flex integral shaver that I haven't started using yet.

I have a few questions in reference to the electric razor that I purchased. Is the Parks brand shave ease a good cleaner/ lubricant to use on this razor and will it harm the razor if I spray it on the screen while it's turned on. I have read on different sites that it should be used while the razor is running and others have stated spraying it without mentioning if it should be on or not. Finally, will the Parks Pre/Aft lotion aid in a closer shave with the Braun? Braun advises that powder or lotion it is generally not needed. What are they considering generally?

In the past, I have tried an electric razor, but I didn't use it more than a couple of days. I am hoping to get a close shave without shredding my face. Thanks for your time and I will give my opinion on my luck with the razor after I allow three weeks for adjustment.

PLEASE EMAIL ME IF MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED AND APPEAR ON THE SITE.

--- Michael and Laura Prince

--- mwp1971@earthlink.net

Thanks for your note, Michael.  I always E-mail to Tell Mr. Steel Beard contributors how their comments/questions and my replies will appear on the Tell Mr. Steel Beard page before I upload the material.  This way, if the contributor wants me to make any alterations to the posting, I can easily do that.  As for your actual questions, while I haven't had any experience with Parks products, I can give my experiences with similar shaving aids.  A good cleaner/lubricant I believe should be used on an electric shaver about once a month.  As I use a Philishave (Norelco) Micro Action or Reflex Action shaver, I use the Philips spray lubricant recommended for those models after I use their electrosonic head cleaner.  The instuctions for the Philips spray lubricant says to use the spray while the shaver is running.  As for pre/aft lotion, I would prefer using it before shaving as this lubricates the skin and helps to make the whiskers stand up to aid in shaving.  On summer days like today when the weather is humid and sticky, a pre-shave is highly recommended to make the shaver glide better on the skin.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: "NGUYEN HIEN THI" <nguyenh@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

Date: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:55 AM

Dear Mr. Steel Beard,

HELP! I'm trying to choose between two of Grundig's electronic shavers for a last minute b-day gift for my boyfriend. Being a female, I have no knowledge whatsoever about shavers. I was wondering if you knew what the difference between the Grundig 8875 & the 8835 (besides the price). Also, is it really worth it?--I've been hearing good reviews on both but I just don't know which to go with.

Hien

p.s. Thanks for the wonderful web page--it really helps a lot of people out (especially the females!)

You're welcome, Hien and thanks for your note.  Between the Grundig Pro Avantgarde 8875 and the Grundig Roltronic Pro 8835, the only differences I see are the two shavers being of different shapes with the newe